The standout feature of the Frazee case is the extraordinary lengths the convicted murderer went to to get rid of Kelsey’s remains. The standout feature of the Casey Anthony case was whether Caylee was missing, or dead.
No body. No crime.
It was only when Caylee’s skeletonized remains were located that Casey was charged with her murder.
The takeout?
No body. No crime.
Frazee actually said these words to a witness in April 2018, slap bang in the middle of the mainstream media’s ten year anniversary coverage of Casey Anthony.
…If she lived Hawaii, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Dakota, Utah or North Carolina, and if Nichol was a man, she could be prosecuted via what is known as “tort law” regarding alienation of affection. Couldn’t she?
The “if she was a man” clause in the statement above should give you pause, and should alert you to the sexist nature inherent in this tort law. Where did the this law come from? The apposite question isn’t where but when.
The Alienation of Affection law is an antiquated legal artifact dating back to the 18th century. It was originally a pretty sexist legislation, designed to protect a paternal setup: a husband’s property rights were protected by this law, including the recognition that the wife was the property of the husband during that time. And so a third party cheating with her could be accused of “damaging” the property of the husband. Of course no such law existed then to protect the interests of the other spouse – the wife.
Arguably, society and the law have both changed so much that the law doesn’t necessary protect the rights any more of either spouse during adultery. Although I studied family law for one year at university, I’m no expert on the subject, but it seems clear that it only kicks in due to contractual arrangements, and not by default. Based on whether the couple were married in community of property or not, that will determine to some extent how assets are divide. If married out of community of property, very few protections apply.
Alienation of affection is a type of tort claim, which basically means that a private individual can sue another private individual for doing some kind of wrong to them. For alienation of affection claims specifically, a plaintiff who believes their spouse left them because of the actions of a third party, usually an extramarital lover, can file a lawsuit against that third party.
Robin Lalley is a family law attorney with the firm Sodoma Law who practices in North and South Carolina. Having represented clients on both sides, she says alienation of affection cases are not difficult to win. The most difficult part tends to be proving someone else’s actions played a role in the breakup.That may be more circumstantial, she says, though it does help if the deserted spouse has evidence of the affair, such as texts or photos captured by a private investigator.
“Things like that make it all the more clear to a jury or to a judge that there was some kind of act that would have alienated the affection of your spouse from you,” Lalley says. Also, she adds, “it’s not a necessary element that you prove that your spouse and the third party had sex … Technically, it could be an emotional affair.”
According to local media reporting, about 200 alienation of affection claims are filed every year in North Carolina, though most are settled out of court. When potential clients approach Lalley about filing such a lawsuit, she says she usually asks what they hope to get out of it. “If you want money, then [the third party] has to have money to go after. The average person doesn’t have thousands or millions of dollars just lying around,” she says. “If you’re doing it just on principle, that’s a pretty expensive cause of action to pursue,” considering court costs and attorney fees.
Earlier this year, Keith King, the founder of a BMX entertainment company near Greenville, captured national media attention after he was awarded $8.8 million by a judge after he sued the man who’d been seeing his wife for more than a year. He told WRAL that he realized he’d probably never see that money, but winning his case was more important.
Friday is another cold, glassy clear day in Colorado.
Hello again from Teller County, #PatrickFrazee trial to get underway again shortly. Today the courthouse/media parking area was visited by a fox! Lovely! pic.twitter.com/rcztYJGlvA
Good morning from Cripple Creek. We’re back in court today for day six of the #PatrickFrazee murder trial. He’s accused of killing his fiancée #KelseyBerreth and soliciting his ex #KrystalKenney to help.
So far today in #PatrickFrazee trial we’ve heard from woman who owns ranch where he allegedly stored #KelseyBerreth’s body, two cadaver dog handlers, Krystal Lee Kenney’s dad. Story from yesterday’s proceedings: https://t.co/MsNUT4S8eV
Day 6 of Patrick Frazee trial. Two K9 handlers that can detect decomposing human scent testified. One dog sniffed at Kelsey Berreth’s home and the other at the Nash Ranch. Both picked up on positive scents. More details on @FOX21News#Frazeetrial
And another law enforcement officer testified that his bloodhound, Lucy, detected decomposing human scent near the trunk of #KelseyBerreth's car at her condo, where #PatrickFrazee's mistress said she set down bags filled w/ blood-stained towels & other items last year.@csgazette
Asked to describe Krystal Lee's personality, her father said: "She likes to please… she was always good at what she tried to do. She likes people. And she likes people who like her. I remember that she was really soft-hearted."@csgazette#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee
Star of the day -"Radar" an 8 year old Bloodhound who smelled decomposed human scent on the hay where #krystalkenney says #PatrickFrazee left tote with #KelseyBerreth 's body inside. He wasn't in the courtroom but we saw a cool video of her in the Nash Barn. Here's a picture. pic.twitter.com/iMNo7fKGQc
All the effort to burn and dispose of the poor woman’s remains, and the cadaver dogs knew all along there were dead remains.
This is significant because #KrystalLee said #PatrickFrazee took the black tote box that allegedly had #KelseyBerreth body in it to the ranch and placed it on top of a hay stack. The cadaver dog located human decomp at the exact place the tote box was. @KKTV11News
So Kelsey’s remains were moved twice. From the condo to the Nash Ranch, and from the Nash Ranch to somewhere else where he burned it – southwest of Cripple Creek.
Specifically, an Elizabeth Police Department officer testified his bloodhound detected the scent of human remains in February at the Nash ranch — the spot where #PatrickFrazee is accused of stashing #KelseyBerreth's body before burning it, southwest of Cripple Creek.@csgazette
The father of #PatrickFrazee's mistress, Krystal Lee, also took the stand today. He testified that Lee was at home on Thanksgiving Day last year, and he was with her most of the day.#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee@csgazette
When #KrystalLee's dad, a Sam Elliot look-a-like, took the stand, the courtrm was silent. Dusty Lee says when Krystal talked about #PatrickFrazee when they first met "I didn't like what I was hearing." Break for :20. @abc#KelseyBerreth
DAY 6 #PatrickFrazee trial: Out on a quick morning break. We’ve heard from 4 witnesses so far. Two of them were experts in K-9 unit cadaver dogs. Both law enforcement officials. @KKTV11News
The breadth of witnesses that we’ve heard from today is interesting. So many people tangentially connected – or not connected at all – to #PatrickFrazee have now become wrapped up in his trial. Teens who worked on his ranch, lady who manages Woodland Park Sonic Drive In, etc
In the video you see #KrystalLee driving a small black car, she pulls into the gas station parking lot and drives off to the side to park. Then #PatrickFrazee truck pulls into same station and up to a gas pump. @KKTV11News
Then you see just #PatrickFrazee truck (#KrystalLee told investigators she got into his truck) it turns out of the parking lot and goes toward Nash Ranch. This is when Krystal says they're retrieving the black box. @KKTV11News
We’ve been walked through multiple searches of #PatrickFrazee ranch. On one of first searches involved multiple FBI evidence teams, ~100 search and rescue personnel and seven cadaver dogs. Didn’t find much, but this is before Kenney told investigators what she knew.
But when #PatrickFrazee's mistress, Krystal Lee, came forward a few days later, she led them to the burn area covered in dirt. It was where Lee prevoiusly testified it was — on a dirt driveway, uphill and in sight of Frazee's house.@csgazette#KelseyBerreth
The burn area was about 5 feet wide by 7 feet long, and it was covered by about 1-2 inches of soil that differed in color from the rest of the driveway.@csgazette#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee
Under the top layer of dirt, there was a layer of melted black plastic. An FBI agent testified that he smelled ash and smoke while removing the dirt, and he smelled burned plastic when he began removing the plastic. @csgazette#PatrickFrazee#KelseyBerreth
NEW: A tooth was found on #PatrickFrazee's Florissant ranch, at the place where he's accused of burning #KelseyBerreth's body. It was part of the last shovel full of dirt removed from the burn area by Federal Bureau of Investigation special agents.@csgazette
An FBI special agent testified the tooth almost went undiscovered. He told his crew during the Dec. 2018 search that they'd take 1 more shovel full of soil from the burned area to sift, and it was in that dirt that the tooth was found@csgazette#PatrickFrazee#KelseyBerreth
An FBI agent testifies about the extensive excavation into the burn area where #KrystalLee says #patrickFrazee burned #KelseyBerreth's body. On the last shovel, using sifters, they found a human tooth fragment. May have been too small for DNA match. @abc
UPDATE: FBI investigators found a tooth in the dirt near burn area on #PatrickFrazee ranch. Also found that there was a crust of melted plastic on the burn area, as well as an area of dirt moist with a substance. https://t.co/dBpnLlhkBD
Also: FBI found 3 bats inside #PatrickFrazee's Florissant house, all wooden, as well as a wooden club in a pickup truck on the property. There wasn't any testimony this afternoon on whether investigators suspect Frazee used any of those bats to kill #KelseyBerreth.@csgazette
The testimony about the conversation was from Joseph Moore, a longtime friend and fellow rancher who considered #PatrickFrazee like a stepson. He detailed several conversations with Frazee in 2018 that he considered increasingly concerning.#KelseyBerreth@csgazette
NEW: On Dec. 20, 2018 a longtime friend of #PatrickFrazee said the two spoke, and that Frazee was befuddled that news of #KelseyBerreth's dissappeance was making national news. "And he's like man, if I had known it was going to blow up this big, I never would have…"@csgazette
On Dec 20 2018 #PatrickFrazee is talking to the friend saying he doesn’t understand why there so much media coverage on #KelseyBerreth going missing. He said “people go missing all the time.” @KKTV11News
#BREAKING: #PatrickFrazee friend just testified saying Patrick told him "I figured out how to kill Kelsey." Friend told him to stop messing around. Friends says Patrick told him "No body no crime." @KKTV11News
Some new voices have joined the throng of mainstream coverage of the Patrick Frazee case, this bright blue morning on Day 5.
Good morning, everyone. I'm back at the courthouse in Cripple Creek for another day of testimony in the #PatrickFrazee first-degree murder trial. He's accused of beating his fiancee, #KelseyBerreth, to death on Thanksgiving Day last year.@csgazettepic.twitter.com/3sJrn2jpQ3
— Nick van der Leek – True Crime Rocket Science (@CrimeRocket) November 7, 2019
Standing by in the media line ready to get inside Teller Co Courthouse for the #PatrickFrazee trial. More testimony from Krystal Lee and then the critical cross-exam by defense atty. #kelseyberreth
We just broke for lunch. Court started late today. Judge said #PatrickFrazee and #KrystalLee both weren’t feeling well. 10:30 court started with Krystal on stand. @KKTV11News
Once we began, Kenney retook the stand. Lead Prosecutor Jennifer Viehman led Kenney through photos of Berreth’s townhome. Kenney used a laser pointer to show every spot she saw blood & the places she cleaned. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee#KrystalKenney
She also pointed out things she didn’t clean, like the rock face to the fire place, the back of the cedar chest on wheels and on top of the fire place. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee#KrystalKenney
Another interesting thing we saw— prosecutors showed the physical gas can they got from #PatrickFrazee property, which is evidence in the case, to #KrystalLee in court. She says that’s the exact one he used to pour gas on the box with #KelseyBerreth body. @KKTV11News
In one picture we saw #KrystalLee inside #KelseyBerreth condo. You see the living room floor ripped up and Krystal in the picture, showing investigators where she found a tooth. The tooth #PatrickFrazee allegedly told her to look for. @KKTV11News
The prosecution walked Krystal through several pictures, maybe around 30 or so. From there they had Krystal explain the crime scene she saw when she walked in #KelseyBerreth condo. @KKTV11News
Lee said #PatrickFrazee also added wood soaked in gasoline into the trough, and poured more gas on it. He then lit it with a match. At one point, the flames were as high as the nearby trees, Lee said, so Frazee covered the fire with what appeared to be metal roofing.@csgazette
In the afternoon session, Kenney faced aggressive cross-examination from Frazee’s defense team.
UPDATE: Krystal Lee, the prosecution's star witness, comes under agressive cross-examination by #PatrickFrazee's public defender.@csgazette#KelseyBerreth
Public defender Adam Steigerwald repeatedly questions Lee about if she's aware she could be facing the rest of her life in prison, if she didn't cooperate with investigators and accept a plea deal with up to three years of prison time. @csgazette#PatrickFrazee#KelseyBerreth
Steigerwald also sought to poke holes in Lee's testimony that she left clues at #KelseyBerreth's house and on way back to Idaho. If she wanted to be discovered, he asked, why not contact police before the killing about #PatrickFrazee's previous murder requests?@csgazette
Steigerwald reviewed Lee's testimony from Wednesday and earlier today. "That's the story that you had to tell those agents to get your plea deal, is that right?" "I had to tell them the truth," Lee responded.@csgazette#PatrickFrazee#KelseyBerreth
Think of it – Kenney driving for hours from Idaho with a murder weapon in her vehicle, and murder in heart and mind. Irrespective of what she did or didn’t do, malintent was clearly present.
Steigerwald also focused on the three times that #PatrickFrazee asked her to kill #KelseyBerreth, which Lee backed out of each time. One of those times, Lee drove from Idaho with a baseball bat in her car, which Frazee asked her to use to kill Berreth.@csgazette
"You drove 750 miles with a baseball bat; the purpose of that baseball bat was to to kill #KelseyBerreth?" Steigerwald asked. "It was at Patrick's request," Lee said. "No baseball bats in Teller County?" Steigerwald shot back.@csgazette#PatrickFrazee
Lee was released from the stand, and will face no more questions today. (Lee also has gone by the last name of Kenney in the past). I'll update more after the next round of testimony.@csgazette#KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee
UPDATE: Two young men, at least one of them a teenager, testify at the #PatrickFrazee trial that they unwittingly helped cover up a burn area at Frazee's ranch, where prosecutors say #KelseyBerreth's body was burned.@csgazette
The two young men also testified that they helped #PatrickFrazee dispose of a metal trough that prosecutors say Frazee used to burn #KelseyBerreth's body. Frazee never told them anything other than wood and deer or elk antlers were burned in the fire.@csgazette
Author Cheryln Cadle decided that, after a calling from God, she would write to Chris and ask him if she could write a book about his story. Surprisingly, he wrote back.
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The Quoirins seem to be suggesting the abductor snuck in through the kitchen window, and into a room occupied by three people, then snuck out again the same way.
According to Charles Morel, the Quoirin family lawyer in France, Nora will be buried on Tuesday, September 10th in Belfast, Ireland. -Nora is the granddaughter of the mayor of Venizy, Sylvain Quoirin. When asked about the investigation into Nora’s death, L’yonne Republicaine quoted Morel saying: “We are waiting.” This is presumably a reference to the still outstanding toxicology results.
First of all, when doing Statement Analysis it’s important to be transparent about source material. Oddly, it’s quite hard to find this particular video on YouTube, and there aren’t many of them.
My Statement Analysis is derived from a strongly-worded Statement Analysis by an anonymous person who posted theirs at this link. Mine won’t be thorough; just a glossing through and highlighting a few points of consensus, and debate.
The Analysis starts off with the right strategy, transcribing the entire 107-word statement. Then it commences with analysis of the salutation.
Good morning, everyone.
This is unexpected as at the time, her daughter’s whereabouts are supposed to be unknown. It is unexpected from a mother in panic not sure how her daughter’s condition is and whose hands she is in. How can this morning be good?
This is an early indication of fairly substantial cognitive bias from the writer. Because Meabh doesn’t say “Good morning.” She starts off with “Morning.” Those around her answer, “Good morning”.
I do agree that even a polite greeting, with or without the “good” may feel a little strange under the circumstances. We don’t expect to hear a salutation at the beginning or end of a 911 call. But this is different. Even though it’s an emergency it’s a long emergency. It’s protracted and the setting is different. It’s personal with a lot of people standing beside and around them. So in my opinion, the salutation is the natural thing to do, even though the situation is stressful and urgent.
There are many other aspects to address, including the frequent use of “everyone”, “every one” and “everything” in this brief statement.
Since I don’t typically do this sort of analysis in blogs, I won’t elaborate in further depth on the conventions, semantics etc. To do justice to statement analysis one has to be incredibly thorough, and that requires a chapter on the subject, at least.
But I do want to correct a few other errors in this poster’s analysis.
We knew you are searching night and day for Nora.
She said “knew” in the past tense. What could be the reason? I needs to be flagged though it could be a simple error. It could also express a process of thinking about how she felt at a previous time. She knew they would search for the child. Which time frame was she referring to? And why is it significant enough to show up in her speech?
Meabh is Irish, so her pronunciation is different. I don’t hear “knew”, I hear “know”, although the locution is somewhat pinched and high-pitched. While mismatches in tense are a typical feature of deception, that’s not the case here.
We see you working so hard and and also praying with us, being with us.
Bringing in deity needs to also be flagged…
Yes and no. In this instance, this was the morning of an important Muslim holiday, and so prayers were to be expected. We also know there were prayers the previous morning too [Friday] attended by the chief of police, where flyers were also handed out.
I do feel feel uncomfortable about the phraseology and the reference in this section, however. “Praying with us”? The Quoirins aren’t Muslim, and if we want to get technical, it was more likely the Quoirins were praying with the police/soldiers, to Allah, than the other way round. One could argue that the semantics loosely refer to “praying together”, but it doesn’t hold because of how Meabh frames the rest of the sentence:
We see you working so hard and and also praying with us, being with us.
Broken down it’s reduced to:
We see you praying with us.
Unconsciously Meabh may be communicating:
You see [referring to those watching] you [them] praying with us.
It also feels like “being with us” following on from “praying with us” is done as a modifier, to admit they weren’t necessarily being prayed with, but accompanied in prayer [being with us]. If this is an error, it might indicate nervousness from the child’s mother, which under the circumstances wouldn’t necessarily be a sign of anything. On the other hand, Meabh is a professional speaker. So this one is hard to read.
Overall it feels unnecessary to be talking about prayers, or what the Quoirins have been doing. It’s more important what the SAR teams do today that’s going to be different and more effective compared to the fruitless six days preceding Search Day 7. Nora’s life is on the line.
So regarding the prayers etc. I wouldn’t call this a red flag, but it might be a grey one.
and thank you so much, terimah kasi.
Again she is thanking them. This time also in their language. She has now thanked them multiple times and it appears genuine, so the question is what she is thankful for. She told us. For being there with them. Not with Nora. She also might be thankful for not having discovered anything.
I concur, there is too much gratitude when the police haven’t delivered anything, and there’s too much consideration in this sign-off in the local language. There may be a simple reason for this. It’s possible Meabh’s statement wasn’t entirely voluntary, nor off-the-cuff. She may have been asked, or told, to publicly thank the police given how roundly the police were being criticized and undermined [and thus losing face] in the media.
Just sharing, the day before this, the papers in Msia highlighted how upset and unhappy they were with the speed of the SAR, and many ppl were irked, as this was deemed as unappreciative, rude and arrogant.
— Nick van der Leek – True Crime Rocket Science (@CrimeRocket) August 13, 2019
We might think that by thanking the authorities, Meabh is just being polite, but we’d expect a mother in this situation to be more focused on her child, and on urging the troops to spend more time looking for Nora, than on being with them, praying with them, or thanking them.
Members of a rescue team continue to search for the missing 15-year-old Franco-Irish teenager Nora Quoirin in Seremban on August 9, 2019. – Quoirin, who lives in London, went missing on August 4 after checking in with her family to the Dusun Resort in Seremban, about an hour from the capital Kuala Lumpur. (Photo by Mohd RASFAN / AFP)MOHD RASFAN/AFP/Getty Images
SEREMBAN, 11 Ogos — Kumpulan Badan Bukan Kerajaan (NGO) Kenny Chan (tengah) bersama rakan lain turut hari ini membantu misi pencarian seorang remaja warga Ireland Nora Anne Quoirin, 15, yang dilaporkan hilang pada 4 Ogos lalu. Operasi SAR yang telah memasuki hari kelapan tetap diteruskan seperti biasa dengan jumlah kekuatan anggota operasi seramai 317 anggota dari pelbagai agensi termasuk pasukan elit Polis Diraja Malaysia (PDRM) Komando VAT 69. –fotoBERNAMA (2019) HAK CIPTA TERPELIHARA
Personally I would expect a lot more emotion from both parents, especially since we know they disagreed with the authorities throughout Nora’s disappearance on whether there was an abduction or not. If they didn’t believe Nora wandered off, then this was an opportunity to petition for a search through local villages that had not yet been searched, or to compile a list of pedophiles in the area and go after them. There’s none of that here. Meabh’s getting advice from missing child experts – why not impart some of that expertise to a captive audience now that she has the opportunity?
There’s something else.
Nora’s name is only mentioned twice in the entire statement, and very little information of any value – including about her – is provided to the troops. This is Meabh’s chance to inspire the troops and give them the tools and insight about her daughter that might save her life. Instead she elects to thank the SAR teams. Sebastien elects to say nothing.
I agree with the writer that Meabh had to have been painfully aware of Nora’s limitations, and so the odds were Nora was either already dead when this speech was made, or not long after.
I disagree that Meabh knew or believed for a fact that Nora was dead, because I do think it’s possible Meabh was led to believe Nora was abducted. If those circumstances were true, regardless of how probable they were in reality, then Nora – as far as Meabh and Sebastien were concerned – could have been alive after all. The real question is whether Meabh truly believed Nora was abducted.