Did Nora Quoirin have a preexisting condition? #2

When we refer to a preexisting condition, we mean besides the holoprosencephaly. A reader on this site recently mentioned an important point. It has to do with body weight. One way to track Nora’s health would be to simply examine a timeline of photos, and estimate whether or not there are significant weight fluctuations, especially in the last few months of her life.

Nora appears to have a healthy weight in the image with her mother, perhaps the most frequently used image by the media.  But in other images, Nora seems to be a lot thinner.

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Nora’s physique is also related to those of her parents, both of whom are skinny.

Again, we have no images of Nora in Malaysia to work with. Strangely, all the images provided to the media thus far have been undated, although this one [below, which appears to be Nora on her 15th birthday] can be dated theoretically. Any images of Nora posted on Facebook can  be dated theoretically too. But even Nora’s exact birth date [sometime in 2004] is currently unknown.

One site lists her weight as 55 kilograms, or 121 pounds. Her weight based on the autopsy report is also currently unknown.

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Did Nora Quoirin have a preexisting condition, or did the ulcer manifest from scratch over a period of just 1 week?

Nora Quoirin: Does the McCann case provide a case study on what to do when a child disappears, or what not to do?

The McCann Rule-of-Thumb is raise money, exert pressure, and remote control an investigation from abroad by having your superior country’s resources criticize every aspect of the investigation.

Make sure the case stays in the media because that will focus local cops on searching and investigation. [No, it will focus them on reading the tabloids criticizing what they’re doing].

The McCanns Rule-of-Thumb also suggests waiting as long as possible to give statements to the police, and telling the police to follow the leads you give them. In short, control the narrative. Also, make sure siblings don’t talk to the investigators, as this might actually get it on the right track.

The McCann-Rule-of-Thumb requires setting up PR spokesmen, and not dealing with the police but communicating instead to the public, especially through spokesmen, book deals, documentaries etc. All the profits from this naturally go to the search for the missing child, until it turns out it’s mostly used to pay for PR, legal fees and occasionally, an expensive mortgage.

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Nora Quoirin: Did it take 7 hours to alert the Malaysian police?

(LEFT OF BOARD)

DATE: 04-08-2019
TIME: 13:45:00
VICTIM: FEMALE
AGE: 15 YEARS
NAME: NORA ANNE
NATIONALITY : IRELAND
LAST LOCATION: SORA HOUSE
CLOTHING: UNDERWEAR
TIME: 07:00:00 MORNING

(RIGHT OF BOARD)

AGENCIES INVOLVED:-

1) FIRE DEPARTMENT:
1 OFFICER
1 SUPERVISOR
7 MEMBERS
2 PEOPLE
4 MUSTEAM

2) PDRM (POLIS DIRAJA MALAYSIA — MALAYSIA POLICE FORCE)
1 OFFICER
? MEMBER

3) K9 PDRM (MALAYSIA POLICE )
2 MEMBERS
1 DOG

4) PBS: 2 MEMBERS

5) THE DUSUN STAFF – 4 PEOPLE

6) VILLAGE PEOPLE – 10 PEOPLE

7) MUST TEAM – 8 PEOPLE

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Below left of board;

Last searching: 06.45pm (2 groups)
07.00pm (check porch?)

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There is very little information in all of the media covering this case that provides the time when the police were notified. Little, not none. The 13:30 timestamp below makes sense if we consider the whiteboard was drawn up within the next 15 minutes.

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It was the action plan of what to do next, which resources to use, and how to co-ordinate with hotel staff. It’s also clear that the disappearance was noticed at 07:00 according to what was told to police on Day 1, whereas the media reported the disappearance at 08:00 [although various times were reported, ranging from 06:30 to 08:30].

If these times are accurate, it raises a disturbing question. Why did it take so long to alert the authorities?

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What time did the Quoirin’s arrive at the airport in Kuala Lumpur? What time did they check-in to The Dusun Resort?

This reference in The Asean Post is the only one that refers to a specific check-in time at The Dusun Resort. 07:00 seems very early. Wasn’t it 7pm?

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The same article also refers to Nora going to sleep upstairs “presumably in her own room”. Quite a cavalier approach to important facts.

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Some of the earliest flights to Kuala Lumpur from London on a Saturday arrive at 14:15.

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The earliest arrival times for flights from both London and Sydney into Kuala Lampur were at 07:15 and 05:00, 06:00 and 08:00 respectively.  The first of these times calls into question the simultaneous check-in at 07:00 at The Dusun Resort. If the family did arrive early in the morning on Saturday, what did they do for the rest of that first day? Did they take any photos?

It will be good to get clarity on these questions as well.

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Mudslinging in the Media Part IV: Malaysian Cops Slam Claims of Inexperienced Searchers Missing Clues while Quoirin Family Refuse to Break their Silence [IMAGE GALLERY]

In the aftermath of this tragedy, there seems to be a strange mismatch in the Quoirin’s actively engaging with the media while their daughter was missing, and publicly thanking the cops during the ongoing search. But after she was found they go radio silent meanwhile, criticism of a botched investigation and police bungling swirls. Unreal.

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Family Dynamics #1: When the Quoirin Family went for a walk, did it look like this?

Sunset on August 3rd, 2019 was at exactly 19:27. Did the family have time after arriving at the hotel from the airport to go for a walk together? Is that when this last photo of Nora was taken? The media has reported that Nora was excited “about seeing” the waterfalls in the area. Does this mean she wanted to see them, or she was excited at the prospect of seeing them, and ultimately never did [on May 3rd?]

Simple question, right?

Here’s another simple question. Is this the last photo of Nora?

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The photo above isn’t the last photo of Nora, it wasn’t even taken in Malaysia. It was taken in Ireland months before the trip to Malaysia. The photo above is from the same location as the one below, Glenevin Waterfall in Clonmany, County Donegal, Ireland.

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The image below of the Quoirin family going for a walk is from a holiday possibly in Bali, Indonesia several years prior to their holiday in Malaysia.

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This raises a few questions. What is the last photo of Nora with her family? Were no photos taken during their first meal together in Malaysia? Were any photos taken at the airport or at the resort?

Why does it feel as if we’ve been misinformed, where a handout photo of Nora at a waterfall is being widely misinterpreted? Is by accident or by design?

Did Nora Quoirin have a preexisting condition, or did the ulcer manifest from scratch over a period of just 1 week?

The language of the autopsy suggests that starvation and stress caused a perforation in the upper gastrointestinal tract. The ulcer developed [or if it was preexisting, was aggravated] in the duodenum, the upper area of the small intestine, not the stomach. There are also differences between the causes of stomach ulcers and duodenal ulcers.

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The autopsy seems to contradict itself by referring to starvation and stress as the cause of death. Wasn’t the mechanism of death from internal bleeding caused in turn by starvation and stress? This may seem like arguing over semantics, but starvation in general  is seldom seen as a cause of death.

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What we can say is there appears to be a relationship between endocrine disorders and holoprosencephaly. Thus the answer to the question appears to be that Nora did have a pre-exisiting condition. Medical history is likely to confirm this, along with a prescribed medical maintenance program. Nora’s parents ought to be in a position to confirm medical treatment in this regard. Hopefully further information in this area will be forthcoming.

A source close to the family said: “We have only been given the 2km information and this hasn’t changed. So I assume the information is incorrect.”

The semantics are strange, aren’t they? A spokesman referring casually to the distance poor Nora was actually found, and admitting – casually – that they assume the critical information is simply incorrect. It feels as if the public are at times more interested in solving the mysteries, inconsistencies and unanswered questions bedeviling this case than those at center of it, doesn’t it?

It makes a difference how far from The Dusun Resort Nora was found. It makes a difference if she was 2 kilometres away, or 1 kilometre or less than 1. If she was only 600 metres away this does raise the possibility that she wandered off, and also that she was likely hiding [naked] from unfamiliar strangers.

It also diminishes the likelihood of an abduction. The greater the distance a child covers [against their will] from home, the greater the organisation and intent of an abduction. But the reverse is also true.

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In the JonBenet Ramsey case, a bogus Ransom Note threw off detectives and cops for several hours. There was minimum searching because the note led people to believe six-year-old JonBenet was being held somewhere else by “a small foreign faction”. In the end, JonBenet was found in the basement of her own home, garroted, sexually abused and with a 8 1/2-inch fracture that ran the length of the right side of her head.

In the Madeleine McCann case, the rush to implicate an abductor led to an “abductor” quickly being identified. This person came forward, even identifying his clothing and that worn by his daughter in a sketch based on witness Jane Tanner’s description [skip to 21:24 of the documentary below].

Tannerman as he was famously called, ended up being Dr. Julian Totman. As absurd as this situation was, it became even more ridiculous. Despite the “abductor” coming forward, the police continued to search for him for four more years. They never found him.

DCI Redwood said it was a “revelation moment” when police discovered that the man seen by McCanns’ friend Jane Tanner at 9.15pm was almost certainly an innocent British holiday-maker collecting his two-year-old daughter from a nearby creche.

He said: “Our focus in terms of understanding what happened on the night of 3 May has now given us a shift of emphasis. We are almost certain that the man seen by Jane Tanner is not Madeleine’s abductor.

“It takes us through to a position at 10pm when we see another man who is walking towards the ocean, close by to the apartment, with a young child in his arms.”

He said they wanted to track down men seen “lurking suspiciously” near the McCanns’ apartment block.

MADDIE BOGUS LEAD  Why did cops investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance waste four years on ‘Tannerman’ lead – despite GP saying it was probably him? – The Sun

Madeleine McCann police wasted years hunting for man they had already spoken to – Metro

Madeleine McCann police spent four years trying to ID man seen carrying baby on night toddler disappeared – despite doctor saying it was him – Daily Mail

Madeleine McCann: Police reveal ‘pre-planned abduction’ theory – BBC

In both the JonBenet Ramsey and Madeleine McCann cases, intruders and abductors were implicated with arguably no evidence, so it’s hardly surprising that both cases remain officially unsolved to this day.

We must be careful not to repeat the same mistakes in this case.

1_MALAYSIA-BRITAIN-FRANCE-IRELAND-POLICE-MISSING Coming Soon…

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“We cannot exclude anything at this stage. In view of the importance of Malaysia’s image for tourism, the authorities may tend to favour the theory of a disappearance over the criminal hypothesis.” – Charles Morel, Quoirin Family Lawyer [PODCAST]

If Nora’s family had anything to do with her disappearance, the motive is unknown. But now her family’s lawyer, Charles Morel, a Frenchman, is suggesting Malaysia may be trying to cover up any criminal element of the crime to protect the tourism industry.

Morel is suggesting that Malaysia is more concerned with its image than investigating this incident. In other words, Malaysia – according to Morel – is trying to market itself in a positive way.

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