JONBENET RAMSEY AUTOPSY What is *THIS* Mark? WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES

The strangest mark in the Ramsey case is a large, dark red blotch high up on little JonBenet’s chest, more accurately where the chest ends and the neck and throat begins.

What is it?

From this angle we get a good idea about a lot of what was going on. We see one of those round abrasions, which here looks quite large and is there a twin but smaller abrasion just above her hair a few inches away?

We also see how the nylon cord has gotten mixed up in JonBenet’s hair, as well as the gold necklace she got for Christmas that year. On top of that, we see how the nylon cord initially made bruising lower down, and then as it tightened, it rode up to find the narrowest and softest part of the little girls’ throat.

Beside her open mouth we see mucous that appears to have flowed down one side of her face but not the other, suggesting how she was found [lying on her back] and how she was left [on her side or on her front] is part of the staging as well. It’s also possible that JonBenet initially died on her stomach, perhaps trying to crawl away which would also have given the perpetrator the ability to hit her on the top of her head.

What’s less clear about this image is that it appears JonBenet’s head is facing the ceiling, when the autopsy describes her head as turned to the right, something you’d do lying on your stomach, but not something you’d do lying on your back.

From this angle we have a much clearer view of the nylon cord and the gold necklace combining to form an almost single thread. We can also see very fine marks on her throat above and below the nylon, perhaps were JonBenet tried to dig her fingernails into her own skin and under the cord.

Is it possible that someone used some implement that was nearby, perhaps a knife or even a finger, maybe a key or even the front of a scissors, to try to wedge under the nylon string? If so, it was the gold chain that defeated this effort. If the string could theoretically be snipped, the chain would be a lot harder, especially given the way it was savagely digging into the soft skin of her neck.

It does make one wonder if that red blemish is a sign that someone made an effort to save JonBenet, a theory that holds hands with an electrified railway track being used – clumsily, and ineffectively of course – as a resuscitation device.

The image above provides yet another angle of the red blemish, and also reveals the terrible depth of the gouge created by the nylon cord.

Of course there is another possibility, and that’s if JonBenet was turned on all fours and struck on the head, she may have collapsed against something that was already lying on the floor, and that then created the mark. A shoe, a Christmas decoration, a toy train carriage, perhaps the remote control to a VCR.

If one of the last things JonBenet tried to do was remove the nylon cord around her neck, and if she died trying, one would imagine her fingers and hands would have been frozen in line with her chin and neck. Well, her hands are significantly higher, and above her head.

It’s tempting to imagine the little girl was bound and forced to lie supine, prone, vulnerable in this position, with her hands over her head, except it would have been impossible to strike her skull where it was struck if she was lying like this, flat on her back.

So how did her hands and arms end up in this position?

There are at least a couple of possibilities:

  1. When JonBenet was wiped down and her clothing changed, for example the big bloomers put on her, she was no longer alive so whoever did this may have needed someone else to hold her up. The wiping down may also have occurred after her body was initially discovered and touched , and after consultation with the book Mindhunter, which provided blueprints for how investigators search for microscopic evidence. So one possibility is that someone, perhaps wearing gloves and protective clothing, held JonBenet up under her arms, while someone else undressed, wiped her down and redressed her.
  2. Another less likely possibility is that JonBenet died on her front, and she was later dragged on the floor from point A to B, resulting in her hands and arms being pulled away from the body.
  3. A final possibility is that when John Ramsey carried JonBenet upstairs, he carried her stiff body in such a way that it sort of pushed her arms from whichever position they were in, stiffened by rigor mortis, to a slightly different position. In THE DEATH OF INNOCENCE John Ramsey describes picking JonBenet off the wine cellar floor “under her arms”.

Interestingly in the book John describes briefly trying to get a tight knot undone. This mirrors what we have been saying about someone trying but failing to undo something else – the cord. So that’s an interesting detail John puts in there. In the words of the autopsy however:

EXTERNAL EXAM:The decedent is clothed in a long sleeved whit knit collarless shirt, the mid anterior chest area of which contains an embroidered silver star decorate with silver sequins. Tied loosely around the right wrist, overlying the sleeve of the shirt is a white cord.

I’m confused. Where is this “tight knot” John is referring to? And why on Earth would some savage child predator tie a cord around JonBenet’s wrist “loosely”?

Now, if someone had tried to undo the ligature, they could have done with whatever tool the coroner used, because this is precisely what the coroner did to investigate the injury. He cut the cord.

Wrapped around the neck with a double knot in the midline of the posterior neck is a length of white cord similar to that described as being tied around the right wrist. This ligature cord is cut on the right side of the neck and removed.

So now an interesting question emerges – if the same cord was used around the wrist as the neck, and if the cord around both wrists was tied loosely, wasn’t the cord around the neck also tied loosely, as well. One can imagine in an accidental scenario, if JonBenet was unexpectedly wounded or frightened, and moved or reacted suddenly, the cord around her neck which theoretically held no danger, could tighten, and tighten in one direction, especially if a startled JonBenet or someone else stood on the other end of the toggle rope, or if JonBenet jerked suddenly while someone held the other end, the stick, and the string then suddenly tightened. The type of knot meant it would only tighten in one direction, and of course the nasty curveball of the situation was the gold necklace making a salvage of the situation almost impossible.

The autopsy also describes the unusual roughly triangular abrasion of unknown origin:

The area of abrasion and petechial hemorrhage of the skin of the anterior neck includes on the lower left neck, just to the left of the midline, a roughly triangular, parchment-like rust colored abrasion which measures 1.5 inches in length with a maximum width of 0.75 inches. This roughly triangular shaped abrasion is obliquely oriented with the apex superior and lateral.

What do you think it was? Do you think JonBenet’s killer tried to save her? And what if the killer had succeeded in removing the ligature, could she have survived the blow to her skull?

Stephen Smith Incident Scene [WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES]

The amount of in situ blood loss in the above images are quite clear. Is it more likely Stephen died at the scene, or somewhere else? If it’s more likely he died at the scene, on the road, is it more likely he was struck by a vehicle or something else?

Notice in the final image Stephen’s knees are facing away from the line, while in the first two they are either on or facing the yellow line. Which way was he facing when found? The two spray painted dots at his feet suggest the bottom image was taken after moving and measuring the body on scene.

YouTube Creators’ Disproportionate Support for Foul Play Theory [13 September, 2022]

During the first week of September, the TCRS community attempted to do a census of those creators either pushing or broadly supportive of the Foul Play Theory in the Kiely Rodni case. We found around 20 established channels seemingly convinced that the likeliest explanation was foul play, including the biggest and most influential channels, such as AWP and Law & Crime.

We could only find two established channels that weren’t – Profiling Evil and Gray Hughes.

Below is by no means a scientific list of FP channels, and obviously if they disagree they are free to communicate that. But it does appear to be reasonably accurate on the date of publication [September 13].

It must also be said that at least one channel that appeared overtly oriented to Foul Play now seems to be more “on the fence” as it were.

FOUL PLAY YouTubers:

  1. Law & Crime
  2. Adventures with Purpose
  3. Christina Randall
  4. Popcorned Planet
  5. 10 to Life
  6. DutyRon [Not 100% clear if DutyRon ought to be on this list]
  7. Zav Girl
  8. Grizzly True Crime
  9. Reporter Room
  10. Crime Stories Obsessed
  11. Michelle After Dark
  12. Jimeva Crime
  13. Jay is 4 Justice
  14. The Mob Crew
  15. The Tyler Feller Show
  16. Don B
  17. Suspicious Minds
  18. Crime Time with Mal
  19. Armchair Detective
  20. Ryan Upchurch

Cassie Laundrie Interview: Full Transcript

Question: So just kind of tell us what you were saying just your reaction as a whole to everything.

Cassie Laundrie: Obviously, me and my family want Gabbie to be found safe. She is like a sister and my children love her, and all I want is for her to come home safe and sound and this be just a big misunderstanding.

Question: And how close, have you guys all been over the years, you were saying.

Cassie Laundrie: For the last two years Gabby’s been in our life and she’s been nice and fun and we’ve, we’ve had a great time. My kids absolutely adore her.

Question: And when you just heard the news just in general, like that she’s missing and that your brother’s back here?

Cassie Laundrie: I don’t understand. As much as everybody else I’m learning everything from the news, too.

Question: And you were saying you’ve talked to police because some people have been saying okay the family – from your end you’ve, you’ve communicated with police.

Cassie Laundrie: Yes, I talked to the police, the second they called. I called them right back. We were in Orlando on vacation with my kids at Disney. And we came back to this.

Question: And what’s your hope right now along with the rest of the world.

Cassie Laundrie: I hope she’s safe and good and just out there unaware and safe.

Question: And you were saying in terms of the body cam just like you, you looked at the body camera video – just kind of what was – knowing them, you were saying just kind of, nothing was crazy.

Cassie Laundrie: No, I didn’t find anything peculiar other than it was just a regular couples spat gone wrong.

Question: And did the whole family like know, they were going on this big road trip, like how exciting – talk to us about that.

Cassie Laundrie: Yeah, they talked about it for a while and they love to travel. They sent us postcards along the way. They, they really kept in touch with the kids through video chat and their phones and show them all the sights because my boys love to travel too. They love all the Utah sights and everything that they send them.

Question: What did you think when you knew, like the YouTube videos and just, I mean it looks like they’re having a great time.

Cassie Laundrie: Oh, yeah, I mean, I, what I’ve seen a lot of people saying with YouTube videos is, it was from their first trip and their, like, current trip. They mushed it together as one thing to just start their first leg of travel.

Question: And so I guess the last time you saw our talk to Gabby was before they left.

Cassie Laundrie: I, other than FaceTime, yeah. Like the day before they left, they came over and helped me with the kids because I had pest control coming in.

Question: Did they talk to, like, family regularly on the trip?

Cassie Laundrie: Yeah, that sort of thing, yeah.

Question: And I guess if you’re – what’s, just kind of as his sister, the oddest thing to you about all this, if you had to?

Cassie Laundrie: That I haven’t been able to talk to him. I wish I could talk to him.

Question: He just doesn’t want to say anything to anyone.

Cassie Laundrie: I know that it’s all because the lawyers, advising them not to say anything, I, I…

Question: In the meantime, it like seems like the world searching for Gabby, and they’re just all in the house and you’re trying to cooperate as best you can.

Cassie Laundrie: I’ve cooperated in every way that I can. I wish I had information or I would give more. I, I, I…this is all I have is – I gave to the police.

Question: Have you talked to Gabby’s family?

Cassie Laundrie: No one’s reached out to me and I don’t know if it’s appropriate for me to reach out to them when everything with everything going on.

Question: What would you say to her family just so they know that you’re…

Cassie Laundrie: Oh we want her back safe too. It’s obvious what – she’s great. She’s cute. She loves my kids, they’ve done one together.

Question: And just as a mom yourself, I guess you probably can’t even imagine what …?

Cassie Laundrie: I…that’s what, obviously, the big thing is as a parent, you want to protect your kids.

Question: Did the police say anything else about…?

Cassie Laundrie: No, I only had their initial questions and I haven’t been contacted again and, and whenever they want to contact me again I’m here waiting they have my number.

Question: Did you know that the van was back and you’re…?

Cassie Laundrie: No.

Question: So you didn’t know that he came back without the…?

Cassie Laundrie: I assumed he flew back, because that’s what he did when he is – actually I don’t want to say that.

Questioner: No problem. No problem.

Cassie Laundrie: I think that’s more police stuff.

Question: Okay, um, but is it is it like out of his behavior to go on a trip with her and then just leave her somewhere like has anything like this ever…?

Cassie Laundrie: No, I mean. No, nothing like this has ever happened before.

Question: But I’m saying he doesn’t really have. Does he have like the personality to where he would?

Cassie Laundrie: No, he’s very um… He’s very. He always does the right thing, like in the body cam he’s – he cooperates with the police, and he – he’s is a wonderful uncle. He’s always been there when I need him. He’s, I mean, he’s been there every time Gabby needed him.

Question: So when you saw the video, did it, just look like a spat to you or did it look like your brother was, or, you know what I mean like does it just?

Cassie Laundrie: It looks typical of both of them, they whenever they fight, they would take a little break and come back and be fine, because that’s what you do in a couple – sit there in the mountains together.

Question: Anything else you want to say just from your perspective, or just about the whole situation, like you said you’ve been watching it all unravel, day by day, and more and more attention is getting on and it seems like the whole world’s wondering where she is?

Cassie Laundrie: I don’t I don’t think so, I just obviously we want her back just as bad as everybody else I don’t, I wish I could help and be the person to be that. I don’t know.

Source: ABC7 [Since redacted].

More: Cassie Laundrie: Secrets from the Extended Interview [Part 1]

“Brian was always there for Gabby” So WHAT CHANGED in August – Now 1 thing Brian’s *isn’t* is AROUND

Discrepancies in Laundrie’s sister’s timeline